Bruyneel Arbitration??? Start Date 12-16-2013, Oh, Wow, that was Yesterday

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Yesterday was the date when Johan Bruyneel was going to get his chance to defend himself against the evil USADA and all the riders that they coerced into testifying against him and Lance, by offering a lighter sentences. It doesn’t surprise me much that I don’t think it started. What surprises me about it is that I haven’t heard a peep about the non-event, or event, from any of the cycling media. You’d think that there couldn’t be much bigger news around than the start of this hearing, or the non-start it seems. But, nothing.

It doesn’t really surprise me that Velonews didn’t do an article about it.* Many times, Velonews seems to be more like stenographers than cycling reporters. A lot of the times when I read an article there, it looks like the person being interviewed wrote it himself and the questions being asked are pre-arranged, not to upset the status quo. But I would have thought that there would of been something on Cyclingnews about it.

I don’t think that Bruyneel is ready to spill his guts. I think he will eventually. But, it might be more than a decade before he feels so inclined. I very much doubt that his tell-all book is going to tell-all. It takes a while for these guys to get mad enough at each other that they feel no loyalty and obligation to keep mum. Plus there is always the threat of civil liability to keep one quiet, until all the statutes of limitation run out.

USADA alleges a 14 year span of doping violations. That is a least as many, maybe more, than they pursued Lance for. I wonder if Johan is going to feel that a lifetime ban is too harsh of punishment for that, like Lances does.

Lance did an interview with La Gazzetta dello Sport earlier this month. He said that “My punishment is a thousand times bigger than the ‘crime’ I committed.” I wonder if he really, truly believes that. If so, I’m not sure what to think.

Let me think, Lance won 7 straight Tour de Frances. He amassed a net worth somewhere over $130,000,000. He was arguably the most famous athlete on the planet for a period of time. During that period, he was flying around the world in his private jet and hanging out and dating rock stars. Or he was flying around on Air Force 1 and going to the White House, or riding MTB bikes with George Bush at his ranch. He pretty much was doing whatever he wanted with whoever he pleased for close to a decade.

And the penalty for the fraud he committed to obtain all that, the fraud to the sport, his fans and the world in general, was that he can’t race bicycles anymore. That is 1000 X worse than doping in the sport for over a decade? I think not. Not even close.

I agree that not being able to compete athletically in any sanctioned sport would hard for me to endure. But his idea that the punishment for what he has admitted doing, and penalty for doing it, a lifetime ban, is too severe, is just plain ridiculous.

The civil lawsuits are going to take a chunk of the money back, but not close to all of it. They will all be settled and Lance will be a gazillionaire still. I hope in that respect, he would admit that he did alright. And his lifetime experiences, I guess he doesn’t have to give them back either. Too bad they can’t just erase a person’s mind when they steal life experiences from others. That would seem just.

*Velonews did this little blip just now. Guess they decided not to actually talk to anyone to find out what happened. They used the line- “Two separate United States Anti-Doping Agency staffers — CEO Travis Tygart and media relations manager Annie Skinner — both declined to comment on the Bruyneel case in recent days.” Recent days, beautiful.

Lance and Johan, in Paris, after 7 straight Tour wins.

Lance and Johan, in Paris, after 7 straight Tour wins.

You can see by the photos below, that Lance sure had a sucky life, so the punishment of not being able to race bikes is so severe.

Lance and Bono, of U2, having lunch on the French Riviera.

Lance and Bono, of U2, having lunch on the French Riviera.

Lance and Sheryl at the Grammys.

Lance and Sheryl at the Grammys.

Lance and Geroge W.

Lance and Geroge W.

Lance and Kate Hudson.

Lance and Kate Hudson.

Lance and Matthew.

Lance and Matthew.

48 thoughts on “Bruyneel Arbitration??? Start Date 12-16-2013, Oh, Wow, that was Yesterday

  1. SalRuibal

    Hey, I rode with President George Bush in Texas! And I’m in the footnotes in the USADA report. But I sure didn’t dope. I wonder how much Lance paid in income taxes on that $130 million?

  2. tito

    What if he trades all his money for the right to compete again?

    Steve, to get stuck car wheels off, loosen all the lug nuts some and drive a foot or so and slam on the brakes. Works every time.

  3. Webvan

    Thanks for staying on top of things. Indeed one has to wonder why CN are mum about this after bending our ear for weeks on the fact that Horner had refused to answer their questions…picking their “fights” it seems. Hopefully someone with the proper credentials will call USADA at some point and report back…

  4. bob

    “My punishment is a thousand times bigger than the ‘crime’ I committed.” I wonder if he really, truly believes that. If so, I’m not sure what to think. ”

    I totally agree with Lance. It’s not like me or you could take a bunch of drugs and win the tour de france. Sorry, that’s just not how it works.

    The only, ONLY thing Lance did that was different than anyone else was that he was such a dick about it all, he sued to protect his lies. USADA has NO business passing judgment on that behavior; civil lawsuits will (and are) correcting this behavior.

    Lance didn’t create the doping culture, he participated in it an eventually dominated it.

    So yeah – it’s totally unfair.

  5. Ted Lewandowski

    In a recent interview- LA said that given a chance to do it all over again – he would still dope.

  6. Asocraticnt

    “Lance didn’t create the doping culture, he participated in it an eventually dominated it.”
    Is this your proposed method of determining ethical behavior? Although widely used, I would suggest it is flawed.

  7. jim sully

    The pic none will ever see that will sum up LA’s final accounting will be he alone w himself in raw realization that his has been a hollow life.

  8. johanbolsadesangre

    Totally agree with Bob on this one, and I have never been a Lance fan and never will be. But in this whole mess, Lance beat all these dopers, all of these doping teams in a sport dominated by doping during its whole corrupt history. Now, that ain´t pretty, nor is it good, and yes, we may be bitter about it.

    I do not believe that we can be at the same time FOR a lifetime ban for Lance and AGAINST a lifetime ban for the rest. And you KNOW that Ryder Hesjedal was part of the Postal-Discover doping train as well. Because he is a smaller fish, he got away with it, but he still won a grand tour and I´m sure hasn´t been clean too many days.

    I am truly sorry for all the clean riders and all those whose dreams went up in smoke due to doping in cycling. For them I feel bad. But for the world of pro cycling? You know what? I am glad Lance kicked their butts because it was corrupt before he got there, and upping the level of corruption gave then some of their own medicine. Others doped too, and none won the Tour. It ain´t pretty and it ain´t what we strive for, but Lance is dead on right, here, as much as it pains me to say it.

    As long as Tyler and Floyd and the rest of the gang are on the loose, I´m all for Lance and Johan getting back into the game or at least getting the same chance as everyone else. Steve – you didn´t take part and those guys didn´t have to either but they did. There WAS a choice. Not a good choice, but there was. So unless you are FOR banning them all and preventing them for working or making a living from cycling, you gotta let Lance back in. Stealing from other thieves, to me, is justice. Almost all Puerto guys are still around…no reason at all Lance can´t stick around.

    As for the Betsy Andreu piece over at CrankPunk, well, her husband had no problems working with 20 blood bag Mancebo and no problem riding for Lance at the time so really, she should have no opinion on the matter at all.

  9. johanbolsadesangre

    I don´t think bob is flawed in the current context:

    1.) 2014 Giro is going to honor Marco Pantani. (sick, but true, no?)

    2.) All former USPS riders still in cycling and still on the loose.

    3.) Almost all Puerto guys got minimal to no ban. Some even participated in US races, dominating, while on Frankie Andreu´s team (Mancebo).

    4.) Marcel Kittel does Ozone therapy and is let off the hook and is walking around criticizing guys for doping.

    5.) As for hiding behind Cancer, well, Tyler Hamilton hid behind MS, and many think he´s an ok guy.

    6.) No serious questions have been asked about Indurian. There can be little doubt about what was going on there, but nobody wants to dig that up, because Mig is a gentleman. But doping is doping, be you a nice guy or a bad guy. If we can go back to 1993 and talk about payoffs or 1996 and talk about doping, then we can dig up dirt on Miguel, too.

    If not, Lance is ok in my book. It really pains me to say it, but I can´t think of it any other way.

  10. bob

    We all know two wrongs don’t make a right, and “If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you too?”

    I’m not suggesting that it’s ever OK just because “everyone else was doing it too.”

    I’m merely responding to Steve’s assertion that he can’t believe Lance actually thinks he’s being treated unfairly. And Steve is wrong on this one.

    Lance is the fall guy here. “Oh look, we got Lance, now cycling is clean.” Please. Why do you think Horner doesn’t have a team after winning the Tour of Spain? Because everyone knows he did it dirty, and teams are trying to move away from at least the blatant guys. Does anyone really think Froome is clean?

    The point is, again, not that what Lance did was OK simply because everyone else did it, but that Lance should get the same punishment as everyone else.

  11. johanbolsadesangre

    Yes, I agree with the idea that he should get the same punishment.

    But again, OK is maybe not the good word, but this whole thing is contextual. It´s hard to jump on Lance for doping and crushing everyone else…when they were all doping too! Ok, so none of it is OK in a general sense at all, but hey, that´s life.

    OK is always in relation to something being NOT OK. And there are many, many things that are still NOT OK, and many involved in cycling who are NOT OK, and in that context, Lance is OK. If we are going to allow corruption, then we really have to allow corruption.


  12. channel_zero

    As long as Tyler and Floyd and the rest of the gang are on the loose, I´m all for Lance and Johan getting back into the game or at least getting the same chance as everyone else.

    Lance is demanding special treatment, again, for the 10 millionth time in his life because the rules don’t apply to him. This was true when he was doping as an amateur with Carmichael and still true today.

    Lance (the UCI, and Wiesel and Co. at USAC) did the opposite of cooperate with USADA and paid the price. Meanwhile, a bunch of riders did some strategic confessing, cooperated with USADA in exchange for a temporary ban. Had Lance capitulated before he lost the game of brinksmanship, there would have been different consequences.

    Lance lost and doesn’t want to admit it and doesn’t want the rules to apply to him, again.

    Don’t enable him.

  13. channel_zero

    Yup, that’s why a lifetime ban is still the best choice. He’d be doping WADA-sanctioned triathlons right now if it wasn’t for the ban. It would be ridiculous, like everything that came before it.

    If Lance needed to fix Triathlon results with bribes, I’m sure he’d do that too.

  14. channel_zero

    All former USPS riders still in cycling and still on the loose.

    Lance can be a Strava kom tool, compete in athletic events not sanctioned by WADA, own a bike industry business, just like the rest. No difference.

    Per my comment above, he’d be doping WADA-sanctioned triathlons right now if he wasn’t banned.

    The guy is poison to the concept of a legitimate sporting competition.

  15. Asocraticnt

    “We all know two wrongs don’t make a right, and “If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you too?” Good to hear 🙂 FYI my intent was not to personally attack you.

    “Lance is the fall guy here. ” It seems that everyone that got punished looks like a fall guy compared to those that did not. I guess that is the definition. I guess there are two options, avoid fall guys by not punishing anyone or punish more equally. The last seems the best. Should we avoid having fall guys?

    I care more about spending resources preventing current doping than punishing those that doped. To the extent punishing those that did dope is a deterrent to current use we should I support punish them. I guess my question would be what is a more effective deterrent. Having well known fall guys or spreading the pain?

  16. johanbolsadesangre

    Some pretty big assumptions there, Channel Zero.

    I am not going to disagree with much of what you say…because Lance’s guilt is unquestionable.

    What you haven’t bothered to address is why some dopers are held up as heros (Pantani and Indurain, likely) but Lance takes the fall? Only because he’s a jerk? You have to be kidding me!

    Ban them all and we’ll be happy!

  17. donkybhoy

    It would seem that Bob(Lance) and johanbolsadesangre(Johan) are trolling the comments.

    That MonkeyMouth Armstrong deserves the same as everyone else for his doping is beyond stoopid.

    He did a lot more than dope as Steve pointed out.

  18. Robo

    Great comments and debate, everyone. I thought Armstrong was offered an 8 year ban in exchange for cooperation but he turned it down? So the fact that he is banned for a lifetime is his own fault. And yes, 8yrs is significantly greater than the standard 2yrs, and dramatically more when compared to the 6 mo. slaps on the wrists of Zabriskie, CVV, et al. (which conveniently occurred in the off-season). But I do believe Lance’s punishment should be greater since he profited the most from it – and by most I mean exponentially more than anyone else. How much more his sentence should be is debatable. But if he isn’t willing to cooperate with USADA as others have (whether by their own choice or not) than he doesn’t have any right to claim unfair treatment. He’s doing nothing to help himself or the sport, so nobody owes him anything.

    Personally I am glad he has a lifetime ban. He’s a Texas sized PRICK who’s bullied and smeared anyone who stood up against him, and many people he didn’t.

    Also, I recommend reading Hamilton’s book. I’m not so naive to believe everything I read in it, but it does provide some perspective on how easy it would be to get caught up in the doping game. Very few people has as true of a moral compass as Steve does. Given the chance, I don’t think I would be able to resist the temptation.

  19. johanbolsadesangre

    We are not trolling the comments. The comments have failed to address some major issues and we would like them dealt with, other than Lance being a dink. Lance is a dink, no doubt about that. He also profited from it, but that doesn’t have to do with doping per se, it has to do with marketing. Most, if not all, pro riders doped, Why didn’t they profit?

    So the issue is doping and whether Lance doped so much more than the others, not that he is a dink or his ability to profit. Those are outside of sporting offenses.

    Lance doped as all the others doped. They all corrupted the sport. Sporting wise, I’d say he’s good to go. How could he not be? You think Danielson wasn’t doping before Discovery? You think Zabriskie was clean? C’mon, all these guys were drooling for the needle before Lance.

    So many are so bitter about Lance because he is a jerk. But you know what? There are non dopers who are still jerks. The question is doping and Lance was nothing special compared to the doping going on during that period. As such, I think he’s good to go, unless we revisit the other pathetic bans given to the Puerto guys.

    Anyway, I’m sure all the Lance bashers will tune in to the Giro 2014, where Marco Hematocrit Pantani will be honored while Lance sits at home.

    Don’t any of you see the massive, massive problems left in cycling? I’m all for banning Lance, but if that’s all you got, I’d love to see him and Johan back in the sport.


  20. RogerH

    Mr. Johan Blood Bag (bolsa de sangre),

    Cheating is unjustifiable in any sport. All the cheaters should be banned for life. Superbowl and World Series’ trophies stricken from the record books for the likes of the A-Rods and Romanowskis. All the cyclists should receive the same punishment in my book. Exactly what Lance got.

  21. Roberto

    Johan and Bob, seem to be the only ones on here with a clue. It’s obvious that Channel Zero just despises Lance. “The guy is poison to the concept of a legitimate sporting competition.” How do you know that?, because he doped in a sea of dopers. I competed in a couple of competitions Lance was at, when he was 14 years old. He won his age group in both of them, and i’m willing to bet whatever you have, he wasn’t doping then. He deserves a harsher punishment, because he gained more, he won more. Are you an idiot?. He was better than the other guys, you effing moron. Even doped, the cream rises to the top. The only reason we’re having this conversation, is because Travis Tygart used some of the same dirty tactics Lance did, and convinced guys that Lance had turned into household names, to testify against the guy that made them famous. A 6 month off-season ban?, are you kidding me. I don’t at all blame Lance for not agreeing to testify. He has far more names to give, and knows far more than anyone else has admitted. He has seen first hand, what this can do to someones life. A lot of these people refused to talk to Tygart. One rider I know of, told Tygart to go “F” himself. I think Lance still considers a lot of these people friends. And he doesn’t want to destroy his friends. As far as Froome, hell no he isn’t clean. But not sure the statement about Chris Horner is accurate. Maybe he could have had some residual effects, from years of doping. But considering what his key talents are, he might have won the Vuelta clean.

  22. H Luce

    Spread the pain – if one rider is caught doping in a race – detection by blood draw and hematocrit test instead of just UA with the advantage that HC can be determined within 15 minutes – then the whole field is disqualified, and the race results are nullified. No prize money, no primes awarded, nothing. That would put a quick end to dopers and doping.

  23. channel_zero

    So the issue is doping and whether Lance doped so much more than the others,

    No. That’s not the issue. He broke the rules, refused to acknowledge he broke the rules, UCI/USAC tryied to break the rules for him, tried to gut USADA. All that denial and refusal to even acknowledge there were rules got a lifetime ban.

  24. H Luce

    The real winners in this are the drug companies – whose off-label products make them billions of dollars:
    “In late 1983, Amgen raised $40 million in an initial public offering underwritten by Smith Barney, Dean Witter and Montgomery Securities, founded by amateur cyclist Thom Weisel, who also financed the U.S. Postal Service Pro Cycling Team led by Armstrong.
    “Amgen, for example, used elaborate spread sheets to show doctors the difference between the price they’d pay for Epogen, and the higher amount they’d pocket by filing false insurance claims. Selling on the “spread” is illegal. But Amgen told its reps to hide these illegal promotions by reporting them as “business reviews,” says Hanks’ suit. Amgen also began to use “other marketing techniques to boost sales, including (offering) rebates, off-invoice discounts, volume discounts, free goods, extravagant dinners, and lavish retreats for doctors.” It even paid physicians who helped promote its drug $1,000 each and pharmacists $750, he said, in violation of anti-kickback laws.
    Johnson & Johnson rep McClellan said he was told to do similar things. Some of his doctor-clients made $100,000 a year or more on Procrit’s spread — or 25 percent of their profits. Marketing the spread was so common that between 1991 and 2003 the average EPO dose quadrupled, according to study published in Health Affairs. Yet, few professionals stopped to ask if EPO’s overuse was hurting sick patients.
    The drug was also becoming ubiquitous among cyclists. At the 1998 Tour de France, police found hundreds of EPO vials on members of the Festina team. Authorities raided cyclists’ hotel rooms and found more vials on the TVM team’s premises. It wasn’t as if EPO was easy to transport. It couldn’t be shaken or stirred, needed to be kept out of the sun and didn’t travel well. Nor was it cheap. In the mid-1990s, a 30,000 unit injection of Procrit cost about $300; Epogen cost slightly more. But by the mid 1990s, dopers on the black market paid as much as $6,000 for 30,000 units — far more than the suggested list price.”
    and finally this:

“In 2006, just as Floyd Landis was winning his soon-to-be-stripped Tour title, EPO was selling $12 billion a year globally — and much of it off-label.”

    What a coincidence. (source: cited in

  25. channel_zero

    It’s obvious that Channel Zero just despises Lance.
    Just the opposite, I feel sorry for the guy. It’s really about debunking jokers like you who believe his lies.

    “The guy is poison to the concept of a legitimate sporting competition.” How do you know that?,

    Uhh, well there’s Ashenden/WADA 2009 sample analysis returning positive for “too normal” values, going from suffering at Tour of the Gila to TdF podium. Let’s not forget some above average triathlon results suddenly transforming to podiums. He’s no Lemond and not even a Tilford.

    I competed in a couple of competitions Lance was at, when he was 14 years old. He won his age group in both of them
    The fast local guy is automatically a TdF champion. Oh wait, no they are not.

  26. Oldster

    I think Steve should subpeona Och as he knows all the secrets. Kitten in his lap, a glass of wine and then its story time

  27. Forrest Gladding

    Last time I checked doping and cheating pays. Lance has a nice home in Aspen and Texas last time I checked. He lives a lifestyle that honest hardworking people will never get to experience. Lesson to the kids, cheat, cheat, deny, deny, get caught, keep your millions and live better than everyone else.

  28. Adam

    I know and speak to one of Lance’s old teammates and he says Lance was heads and shoulders above the rest. Maybe he does deserve a larger penalty given his behavior and the money he made, but why does everyone else from his era get a slap on the wrist? Seems pretty unfair to me.

  29. jp

    Steve –
    great photo collection, am I the only one that found them funny ? The one with GW is classic.

  30. Roberto

    Channel Zero, if you really believe a clean Lance, couldn’t beat Tilford, you just proved how little you know about cycling. Tilford was very good, but he was never at Lance’s level. And you continue to think that Lemond did it all clean, when It’s pretty certain that Hinault, and almost all of his other top competitors doped. Really, you really buy into Greg’s statement “I won because of my freakish talent”. I have some ocean front property in Vegas, that i’d like to sell you.

  31. channel_zero

    That’s not the issue. He broke the rules, refused to acknowledge he broke the rules, UCI/USAC tried to break the rules for him. He tried to gut USADA and refused to engage USADA. All that denial and refusal to even acknowledge there were rules got a lifetime ban.

    Meanwhile, riders that worked with WADA and gave testimony got brief sanctions.

    Do you see a pattern yet?

  32. johanbolsadesangre

    Yes, but…how truthful do you think they were?

    My guess is that they all lied to Travis. They selected out when they doped or didn´t dope according to the results they wanted to keep. No different than Lance. Travis was willing to accept some lies but not others – he bought the lies he needed to get the big liar…and that will come back to get him as we dig deeper down.

    Do you really think they gave exact testimony of their own doping? I can´t wait until Johan comes out with the real doping programs of these guys. They we´re going to have some laughs.

  33. Reid Rothschild

    Damn, Lance still has his toadies trolling the internets. Give it a rest you jerkoffs. First, and last, Lance couldn’t even carry LeMond’s jockstrap on his best day. We have one idiot here bragging that Lance won some age group bs at 14….Who cares?

  34. Roberto

    Oh, and by the way, I never believed Lance was not a doper. I just believed they never proved it. Until he admitted it. As far as his lies, everybody else lied too. And his statement is valid, ask the guys who raced those Tours against him, if they think they got cheated. The answer is obviously a resounding “NO”. They all did it, and even though that doesn’t make it right. You can’t string one guy up, and claim you’re fixing cycling. Give him back the titles, take all the winners from 1987-2006, put asterisks by the names, and call it the doping era. Then try and keep up with the new advances in doping, and make it as clean a sport as possible. Letting guys that actually tested positive at some point, keep their titles, just makes the whole thing a farce. And lends credence to Lance’s claim, it was a witch hunt.

  35. mike crum

    steve, how about writing down and sharing one of your favorite interval workouts instead of all the doping articles. i bet most that read your blog are cat 1,2,3,4,5 racers that wanna get better, so reading a good training workout would be alot better that reading about ex pros that dopped..shit man, they all did.
    i would like to read a detailed interval workout you do.. come on bro, help out your racing brothers, the hundreds that read this blog. fill us in on your favorite interval workout.. help out the community of faithful followers of yours with some pointers. thanks

  36. Robo

    Yes, the 6 month suspensions were a joke. And because he has the most to give is exactly why he needs to cooperate. But he didn’t cooperate, so we really can’t compare his suspensions to anyone else’s.

  37. The Cyclist

    Find a tailwind and pedal till you bonk, then turn around and pedal home through headwind at double speed.

  38. The Cyclist

    Lance, Lemond… Lemond and Lance again. Lance, Lemond whatever … what if Horner is the only honest cyclist US ever had? And what if the real reason he finally got a win is bc all the old cheaters finally had to leave the scene and the new cheaters couldn’t be bothered with goin to Spain this year.

    Maybe then he’s the best cyclist US ever had.

    Just an idea.

  39. bob

    Reid, you must not have paid much attention during the doping scandals and ignored all of the technicalities of doping.

    Doping isn’t some kind of alien technology super pill that turns couch commanders into TDF contenders. ALL of the GC guys are on the tip of the spear, 1%ers as it were when it comes to ability. PEDs give the final 1-2% performance boost that make the difference. Different guys benefit more from PEDs, but the point is simply to say that you don’t become a protour GC guy on PEDs.

    When I think of Lance’s mentality, and given his comment that “he’d do it again given the choice,” I think of this video:

    I think the point Lance truly believed was that (internally) “Yeah, I’m on drugs, but so is everyone else, so here is what makes me different. So F you.” And I understand that, separate and apart from the morality and punishment question.

    Before Lance came clean, I used to think Lance had a special relationship with the drug companies and had something completely different drug-wise that gave him an advantage. Nope, as it turns out, he used everything everyone else did, mainly EPO and blood bags.

    So, yes. Lance probably could carry LeMonds jockstrap, probably could carry his water bottle. Unfortunately, the magical laboratory paper race hasn’t been invented yet, so we don’t know who could or couldn’t carry whose support undergarments.

    @channel_zero: “He’s no Lemond and not even a Tilford.” You’re out of your mind. If you believe LeMond (and I do – if they had ‘doping’ in his era it was more like today’s ‘finish bottles’) that he didn’t dope, and we know the EPO era didn’t begin until the late ’90s, you can directly compare Tilford, who is within a year of Lemond in terms of age. Clearly LeMond was protour level and Tilford was continental level. It’s like comparing MLB to AAA farm leagues. No comparison. Of course Tilford came up a different route (MTB), but there is just no comparison to LeMond or Armstrong. Tilford apparently came near the orbits of the big guys (Hinault, LeMond), but even the big guys need pack fodder.

  40. Andrew

    Lance turned down a deal with USADA for a shorter suspension and disqualification from only TWO Tours de France. Instead, he chose to use his money and lawyers and foundation to trash the USADA and lobby the United States Congress to investigate the USADA and threaten their government funding. PEOPLE, GET INFORMED BEFORE YOU START WRITING YOUR COMMENTS SO YOU DON’T LOOK LIKE A LANCE LOVING KOOL-AID DRINKER.

  41. channel_zero

    We know Scott Mercier wouldn’t do the USPS program. Hampsten, and yes, Lemond was clean(er). Lemond’s last TdF was when EPO became prevalent in the field.

    Lots of guys came back to the U.S. because they wouldn’t dope. Plenty of clean riders out there who didn’t have a spectacular elite career because they wouldn’t dope.

    And no, Horner isn’t clean. Between Parisotto’s expert analysis and Veloclinic’s assessment, the Vuelta values are “too normal.” Why do you think he’s not got a contract?

  42. Dave

    Journalist sites might be relatively hardpressed to report on arbitration proceedings. Often these things are private or confidential (unlike litigation). May be shady to some, but it is widely adopted practice and seen as one of the many benefits of arbitration over traditional litigation.


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